Opened 3 years ago

Closed 9 months ago

Last modified 9 months ago

#2881 closed defect (fixed)

Unfinished Skirmish Maps (Tuscan Acropolis, Two Seas, Corinthian Isthmus)

Reported by: Timothy Hamlett Owned by: stanislas69
Priority: Should Have Milestone: Alpha 22
Component: Maps Keywords: patch
Cc: Patch:

Description (last modified by stanislas69)

There are several unfinished maps in the game. I recommend that a map designer finish these maps so that they become playable. The maps discovered so far are:

Corinthian Isthmus (4) Tuscan Acropolis Two Seas (6)

#2970 is related.

Attachments (17)

skirmishes_demo.patch (2.2 KB) - added by Timothy Hamlett 3 years ago.
A temporary fix, setting the demo flag for these unfinished maps.
Two Seas (6).zip (594.9 KB) - added by Niek 3 years ago.
Version of Two Seas (6) with Post Proc
two_seas_6.7z (596.2 KB) - added by stanislas69 2 years ago.
Final Version
two_seas_6.2.7z (591.5 KB) - added by stanislas69 2 years ago.
Done
two_seas_6.3.7z (585.5 KB) - added by stanislas69 2 years ago.
Two Seas(6).zip (366.9 KB) - added by stanislas69 16 months ago.
Same, with less trees
TreeCleaner.py (2.6 KB) - added by stanislas69 16 months ago.
Algorithm I used to clean up the trees.
Corinthian Isthmus (4).zip (564.3 KB) - added by stanislas69 16 months ago.
Main job for Corinthian Isthmus (4) it's now playable but it's causing my computer to go in a deadlock for some reason
two_seas_6.5.zip (373.0 KB) - added by stanislas69 16 months ago.
Assert http://irclogs.wildfiregames.com/2016-07-18-QuakeNet-%230ad-dev.log
two_seas_6.6.7z (313.8 KB) - added by stanislas69 16 months ago.
two_seas_6.7.7z (313.0 KB) - added by stanislas69 16 months ago.
Replace tigers by lion and lioness. Remove the bridge.
corinthian_isthmus_4.1.7z (519.0 KB) - added by stanislas69 16 months ago.
Proposal for corinthian isthmus (4) screens http://imgur.com/a/iBUIx
corinthian_isthmus_4.2.7z (530.0 KB) - added by stanislas69 16 months ago.
I guess only the beaches textures are remaining and I couldn't find a good match, then there are the markov chains, but for that I'd need to write a python plugin I guess. * the amount of used textures seems ok to me, however the different textures types often have their own large area which leads to visible repetition in a few cases * In case of the beach, coral and cliffs a few more texture types would be nice :) * The Acropolises are quite straight up and high, can you smooth them a bit to make it a bit more natural? (it shouldn't become passable though) ? * I like the detailed 'spots' you've put across the map. :) * Can we run the map through a Markov's chain to place some additional actors :P * I think I would desaturate the water color a tad to reflect the cloudy sky. 204060 worked for me (though feel free to adjust, also because I don't have post processing enabled) * Overall a very promising map, I definitely see this one ending up in the game! :D Screens: http://imgur.com/a/oct50
skirmishes (1).7z (530.0 KB) - added by stanislas69 15 months ago.
Version using niektb's advice, I'm not sure I uploaded it elsewhere.
corinthian_isthmus_4.4.7z (594.2 KB) - added by stanislas69 14 months ago.
Should make the map more "appealing"
dull_shore.jpg (179.4 KB) - added by elexis 12 months ago.
Corinthian Isthmus 4.5.7z (612.4 KB) - added by stanislas69 12 months ago.
Add bushes

Change History (65)

comment:1 Changed 3 years ago by Josiah Hamlett

Owner: set to Josiah Hamlett
Status: newassigned

comment:2 Changed 3 years ago by Niek

Any updates on this so far?

comment:3 Changed 3 years ago by Timothy Hamlett

Yes, there are some updates. All the maps are "refinished," and I have to review them.

comment:4 Changed 3 years ago by Niek

Do you mind sharing them so others can give feedback too? (Either here, in the forums or the scenario designing PM)

Last edited 3 years ago by Niek (previous) (diff)

comment:5 Changed 3 years ago by Niek

Are there any updates on this? Screenshots maybe?

comment:6 Changed 3 years ago by Itms

Milestone: Alpha 18Alpha 19

Don't forget to keep us updated! ;)

comment:7 Changed 3 years ago by Ben Brian

There would probably be more progress on the forum, artists just don't use Trac very much :/

comment:8 Changed 3 years ago by stanislas69

Actually they are CoM members I ask thamlett and niektb to give feedback on it :)

comment:9 Changed 3 years ago by Timothy Hamlett

Hey guys, sorry for not keeping you informed quicker. SiahH accidentally deleted the finished maps before he was able to upload them. All is not lost however, he says that he knows exactly what should go where Meanwhile, I'll upload a patch changing the map description to make it obvious to players that the map is unfinished - this will temporarily solve the problem of people starting lobby games and then realizing there are no resources at all.

comment:10 Changed 3 years ago by Ben Brian

If the maps are that unfinished, they should just have the "demo" tag or something, so they aren't visible with the default map filter.

comment:11 Changed 3 years ago by stanislas69

Thamlett said on IRC he would provide a patch for it :)

Changed 3 years ago by Timothy Hamlett

Attachment: skirmishes_demo.patch added

A temporary fix, setting the demo flag for these unfinished maps.

comment:12 Changed 3 years ago by ben

In 16352:

Adds "demo" keyword to some unplayable, unfinished maps so they are hidden in game setup, patch by thamlett, refs #2881

comment:13 Changed 3 years ago by Ben Brian

Milestone: Alpha 19Backlog

Changed 3 years ago by Niek

Attachment: Two Seas (6).zip added

Version of Two Seas (6) with Post Proc

comment:14 Changed 3 years ago by Niek

I've attached a version with Post Proc settings.

I think though that there can (should) be some improvements made with the texture usage of the seas. I would like to point to Sporades Islands(2) for an excellent example.

It is really a huge map btw, certainly not one that my GPU does like. :P

comment:15 Changed 3 years ago by leper

There seems to be quite some need to trade to get metal, maybe some more metal mines would help. The amount of wood in there is huge, in some places I'm not sure if we shouldn't remove some. As I guess this is designed to be played 3vs3 the teams should be set up that way.

comment:16 Changed 3 years ago by Itms

Component: Art & AnimationMaps
Keywords: map review added

comment:17 Changed 3 years ago by leper

Keywords: review removed

The map also could use some animals and other food sources.

comment:18 Changed 2 years ago by stanislas69

Description: modified (diff)

Changed 2 years ago by stanislas69

Attachment: two_seas_6.7z added

Final Version

comment:19 Changed 2 years ago by stanislas69

  • Removed around 300 trees
  • Added Berry Bushes
  • Added Metal
  • Fixed some textures
  • Added fauna
  • Added Shipwrecks
  • Added Special Unit for each player.

comment:20 Changed 2 years ago by stanislas69

Keywords: review added; map removed

comment:21 Changed 2 years ago by leper

Nice work! Maybe you could add/move some fishes as the current placement is quite regular. The map still has plenty of trees, but if you don't want to remove some more that's fine too.

Changed 2 years ago by stanislas69

Attachment: two_seas_6.2.7z added

Done

comment:22 Changed 2 years ago by elexis

Oh, I remember that map. It was all about rushing the only place that had wood with a dock. As there was no wood near the CC, you could only gather it with females and hardly do any fields and houses. Having sea trade from the beginning on helped, as it only cost metal. Was fun.

The current version looks more playable and well balanced. But I think there are still way too many trees and they could be reduced by the factor 2 in areas where they are really densely packed. Might be a big amount of boring work and we should include the map even if not optimized.

Can't see any shipwrecks, am I missing something?

comment:23 Changed 2 years ago by stanislas69

Nope, actually they probably got deleted yesterday. I'm going to fix this.

comment:24 Changed 2 years ago by stanislas69

  • Removed 350+ trees
  • Added the missing shipwrecks

Changed 2 years ago by stanislas69

Attachment: two_seas_6.3.7z added

comment:25 Changed 2 years ago by elexis

Number of trees:

  12506 			<Template>gaia/flora_tree_cretan_date_palm_tall</Template>
    199 			<Template>gaia/flora_tree_cretan_date_palm_short</Template>
    409 			<Template>gaia/flora_tree_date_palm</Template>
    437 			<Template>gaia/flora_tree_senegal_date_palm</Template>

The other maps beside Gambia River have 1-2k trees (run the following script in the skirmish/scenario map path):

for f in *.xml
do
  echo "$f"
  cat "$f"  | grep tree | sort | uniq -c | sort
done

Having the map run with 3 bots already freezes the simulation briefly every turn, although there are less than 100 units total on the map.

Indeed this is the first 6 player scenario / skirmish map, but I think this is still overkill. In case someone runs out of wood (unlikely) they would need trade anyway.

Using the wood as an obstruction to make some parts of the map impassable also doesn't work, as units can still walk between the trees. If you want that, you could make some unreachable plateaus in the middle of the wood, some rocks or maybe there is a way to add invisible obstructions. From the balancing point of view, I don't see the need for having impassable areas.

A small XML parser could be written that removes every tree if there is another tree within a given distance. Afterwards the entity IDs need to be recalculated.

comment:26 Changed 2 years ago by stanislas69

There is no need for Id recalculations. At least not that I know off, I deleted all the crocodiles in my other map and that works just fine.

comment:27 Changed 2 years ago by stanislas69

Owner: Josiah Hamlett deleted
Status: assignednew

comment:28 Changed 2 years ago by stanislas69

Keywords: review removed
Milestone: BacklogAlpha 20
Owner: set to stanislas69
Status: newassigned

I will probably try to finish them for A20

comment:29 Changed 23 months ago by Itms

Any progresses? It would be great to have some new maps :D

comment:30 Changed 22 months ago by elexis

Keywords: patch added

comment:31 Changed 21 months ago by Itms

Milestone: Alpha 20Backlog
Owner: stanislas69 deleted
Status: assignednew

Changed 16 months ago by stanislas69

Attachment: Two Seas(6).zip added

Same, with less trees

Changed 16 months ago by stanislas69

Attachment: TreeCleaner.py added

Algorithm I used to clean up the trees.

Changed 16 months ago by stanislas69

Attachment: Corinthian Isthmus (4).zip added

Main job for Corinthian Isthmus (4) it's now playable but it's causing my computer to go in a deadlock for some reason

Changed 16 months ago by stanislas69

Attachment: two_seas_6.6.7z added

comment:33 Changed 16 months ago by elexis

I'm fine with two seas (especially the few actors are nice).

But these two things seem weird:

  • Not sure about the bridge, who would build that to connect some random stones?
  • Tigers appear in asia, those elephants and zebras in africa, muskox in polar regions. If you want to use the african biome, you can place lions instead of tigers. (maybe replacing the text in the XML file is easier).

Changed 16 months ago by stanislas69

Attachment: two_seas_6.7.7z added

Replace tigers by lion and lioness. Remove the bridge.

comment:34 Changed 16 months ago by stanislas69

Some screenies for Two seas http://imgur.com/a/Sn7fE

comment:35 Changed 16 months ago by stanislas69

Owner: set to stanislas69
Status: newassigned

Changed 16 months ago by stanislas69

Attachment: corinthian_isthmus_4.1.7z added

Proposal for corinthian isthmus (4) screens http://imgur.com/a/iBUIx

comment:36 Changed 16 months ago by stanislas69

Keywords: rfc added
Milestone: BacklogAlpha 21

Changed 16 months ago by stanislas69

Attachment: corinthian_isthmus_4.2.7z added

I guess only the beaches textures are remaining and I couldn't find a good match, then there are the markov chains, but for that I'd need to write a python plugin I guess. * the amount of used textures seems ok to me, however the different textures types often have their own large area which leads to visible repetition in a few cases * In case of the beach, coral and cliffs a few more texture types would be nice :) * The Acropolises are quite straight up and high, can you smooth them a bit to make it a bit more natural? (it shouldn't become passable though) ? * I like the detailed 'spots' you've put across the map. :) * Can we run the map through a Markov's chain to place some additional actors :P * I think I would desaturate the water color a tad to reflect the cloudy sky. 204060 worked for me (though feel free to adjust, also because I don't have post processing enabled) * Overall a very promising map, I definitely see this one ending up in the game! :D Screens: http://imgur.com/a/oct50

comment:37 Changed 15 months ago by elexis

Corinthian Isthmus (4):

  • Trees are placed equidistant. Players might miss forests on first sight. Is that realistic for that region in greece? Couldn't find pictures of it.
  • Lighthouse: It seems weird to have a ptolemian lighthouse with a massive stone foundation placed on parts of a wooden bridge. It would have probably been constructed on the stone itself. If the size of the bridge cant be reduced, that hill would have to be moved further away.
  • Many areas still seem empty. There should be some highlights (placing a random campfire is one trick, but that works at most for one area per map).

comment:38 Changed 15 months ago by elexis

Two Seas (6) seems good to me, though one still may not look at the used species and their natural area (date palms from creta (mediterranean), elephants and lions from africa, muskox from polar regions. The muskox should probably be replaced by wildebeests / gnus.

comment:39 Changed 15 months ago by elexis

In 18697:

Skirmish map Two Seas overhaul by Stan, refs #2881.

Adds starting resources and units, forests, mines, animals, treasures and some decoratives.

Changed 15 months ago by stanislas69

Attachment: skirmishes (1).7z added

Version using niektb's advice, I'm not sure I uploaded it elsewhere.

comment:40 Changed 14 months ago by elexis

I think moving the lighthouse and that stone further away so that the stairs just border the bridge should look much better and shouldn't be that hard to paint.

Couldn't find good pictures of landscapes of that area. Those that I found didn't seem to indicate that particular kind of equidistant tree distibution. Perhaps some areas could become grasslands, others tiny to medium sized, dense forests, while many other places still keep that equidistant distribution.

You should take a look at the other skirmish variant of this map and take some inspiration with regards to forests and ground texturing. The patch below the civic center should be adopted f.e..

comment:41 Changed 14 months ago by stanislas69

I'm not really sure on what you mean by equidistant tree distribution. At least I did no such thibg itentionally.

About grassland and other dense forests why not though it's a big map and I didn't want too much trees.

About the lighthouse I'll see what I can do.

About the ground below the Cc: dully noted

Sorry I haven't answered earlier I didn't get around Atlas was only workibg with itms on that map for 4193.

comment:42 Changed 14 months ago by elexis

Adding few hundred trees shouldn't be an issue, adding 12k would be one though. There should be some clumps of actual forest IMO and grasslands would help with the performance and appeal.

comment:43 Changed 14 months ago by elexis

Keywords: rfc removed
Milestone: Alpha 21Backlog

Changed 14 months ago by stanislas69

Attachment: corinthian_isthmus_4.4.7z added

Should make the map more "appealing"

comment:44 Changed 14 months ago by stanislas69

Keywords: rfc added
Milestone: BacklogAlpha 22

comment:45 Changed 13 months ago by elexis

Better. Still think some parts look sterile, for example I can't find a single bush actor. Take a look at corinth isthmus (2) for the shoreline, there should be more than 1 texture.

The map also looks very big, more like an 6-8 player map. Scythetwirler had an idea of some player starting with a civic center, others without, which would be one way of coping with this, but I don't know if you can steal his idea :D

comment:46 Changed 12 months ago by elexis

Keywords: rfc removed

The least would be bush actors.

Changed 12 months ago by elexis

Attachment: dull_shore.jpg added

Changed 12 months ago by stanislas69

Attachment: Corinthian Isthmus 4.5.7z added

Add bushes

comment:47 Changed 9 months ago by elexis

Resolution: fixed
Status: assignedclosed

In 19290:

Skirmish map Corinthian Isthmus (4) by Stan, fixes #2881.

comment:48 Changed 9 months ago by elexis

Summary: Unfinished MapsUnfinished Skirmish Maps (Tuscan Acropolis, Two Seas, Corinthian Isthmus)

Fixed the thracian black cloak template as the dupe linked in the map had been removed. Fixed player order from 3412 to 0000 (teams can be chosen arbitrarily as it's a skirmish map). Created map preview image. Added "new" keyword.

Tuscan Acropolis was finished by r17011, so all three maps mentioned in the ticket are complete now.

Thanks for the maps!

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